It also gives us information that helps explain Marina Oswalds comments about the assassination. She sat us down, with my stepbrother, and started to explain who our father was -- that it wasn't Kenneth -- and who Lee was and what he had done. She was 23, neatly dressed in a skirt, sweater and winter coat, and looking like a graduate student with books tucked under her arm. If they could prove somehow that he was innocent, he'd still not be a hero, he'd be a martyr. Lee Harvey Oswald's youngest daughter, Rachel, was only one month old in 1963 when her father allegedly killed president Kennedy. Judith Baker, author of "Me and Lee - How I came to know, love, and lose Lee Harvey Oswald," presents an article at a symposium on Sat. Mark Porter is the son of Porter together with her second husband Kenneth Jess Porter. But I still have problems in that area, because I date a lot. It was always a big deal in November, when it was very stressful in the house. More than a year after the death of her son, Marguerite was still full of self-pity and anger, concocting new schemes to investigate her son's lifeshe told everyone he was a government agent despite a lack of evidenceand raise money. WebAudrey Marina Rachel. Since I hadn't gotten a response, I toyed with the idea that I might have to go public. I've never seen her act like that, like she needed to become more of a crusader, and it's taking its toll. For all of Oswalds notoriety, there was little reaction to her being on campus. And she said, "June Oswald?" Q: How are things between you and your mom these days? Several years later, Ernest Campbell reflected on the episode initiated by one of his congregants. Sometimes she could be found on Dealey Plaza, selling autographed business cards to tourists for five dollars:Marguerite Oswald, mother of Lee Harvey Oswald. June is quieter about her own marriage, which ended in 1992. WebFor years, the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald has avoided cameras while she tries to live a quiet life in Rockwall, northeast of Dallas. Mom was always overprotective of us. Her coldness struck me. He was 99. John F. Kennedy, on November 24, 1963, as Oswald was being transferred to a county jail. When my mother came on and this interview went so badly, I decided I really wanted to rebut. During her talk, Baker criticized newspaper reports that she said inaccurately portrayed Oswald as a mentally unstable communist. Wish there were more, by the family of Lee. Mom would smoke all the time. ___________________________________________, Reminds me of Elvis Costello's song "Watching The Detectives.". I try to hold that in the back of my head. Thanks for this. I hung up the phone shaking my head at Marguerite Oswald's dizzying logic. Nonetheless, during several interviews over the past year, she reports being content. For all I know it's still tapped. Saunders, who came as an observer, was asked by Marguerite to officiate. A: The last two years have been very stressful, because she started doing things that she hasn't let us know about, then all of a sudden I hear about it or see it on TV. If someone has it, I would also like to read it again. It's right across from the Capitol, and she was a waitress. I know that in my life, Lee wasn't a good man. My secretary in my last job put two and two together based on one of those articles. WebLee Harvey Oswalds youngest daughter, Rachel, was only one month old in 1963 when her father allegedly killed President Kennedy, and was shot to death himself. People sent us money following the assassination, because Mom was young with two small children and didn't speak the language. Porter still lives with her second husband Kenneth, however in private, and is afraid to go out in public. By the early 60s it was enrolling hundreds of students a year for intensive courses in vocabulary, composition, and grammar. The churchs executive committee agreed. Cookie Policy A few months later the young family moved back to the United States. The churchgoer turned to her minister at Ann Arbors First Presbyterian Church. So I called my staff in, a group of 10 or so, and I said: "Yes, that is me in the article. For many years, the widow has avoided cameras while she tries to live a quiet life in Rockwall, northeast of Dallas. My father is Kenneth Porter, the man I grew up with, the man who was there for my mother and Rachel and me. Q: Give me an example of what you'd consider harassment, A: When I was pregnant with my first, some lady got my phone number and called in the middle of the night. Anyway, the only person I knew up there was Priscilla Johnson McMillan, who wrote my mother's book. Q: To what extent have you followed the various conspiracy theories? But in the shadow of this grim but stirring processionon that same MondayLee Harvey Oswald was quietly buried in Fort Worth, Texas. Mrs. These women were left with a horrible legacy and have no doubt tried to separate their father from his legend- father as Lone Nut, a disgrace or Government worker and valiant spy, patsy? I do remember that our phones were tapped. There are a lot of assassination buffs who have analyzed all the technical data and the other available material and even they don't agree about what happened. A week later, Campbell met with his congregation and explained the executive committees thinking. U-M has had its share of students with famous family ties often parents who are high-profile politicians, Hollywood stars and corporate CEOs. When my mother came on and this interview went so badly, I decided I really wanted to rebut. It was the committees hope to keep the matter from becoming public information in order that Mrs. Oswalds opportunity to review the matter objectively would not be lost, he said. There are a lot of assassination buffs who have analyzed all the technical data and the other available material and even they don't agree about what happened.Q: But are you comfortable with the fact that Lee Oswald played at least some role?A: I think there definitely is circumstantial evidence that could imply he had something to do with it because of the characters he was hanging out with in New Orleans. Rachel loved listening to that. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. Within weeks, donations topped $12,000 and by early 1964 would grow to $70,000 the equivalent of nearly $600,000 today. Q: What is the status of your present-day identity? Obviously, if I'd wanted to share that I would have told everyone a long time ago. And we got to President Kennedy and I was told to go across the hall during that one. A: It has put certain strain on it. Q: When were you actually told about your father and the assassination? See, this is the difference. There were times when we didn't have milk to drink. Still, the help for Oswald paled compared to the support for the widows and children of President Kennedy and Officer Tippit. But I still have problems in that area, because I date a lot. At the time of the assassination, she and other First Presbyterian members were starting their second year with Ernest Campbell as their minister. Oswald. An ELI official described her as an average student. She was born on July 17, 1941, in Severodvinsk, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union. "I do not think that she is a very sound thinking woman, and I think that part of the guilt is hers," she told the Warren Commission. I tell her, "Rachel, for all we know, we could have been living in the streets." MORE THAN 30 YEARS AFTER the Kennedy assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald is a name that will not go away. These rarely-seen pictures of President John F. Kennedy's assassination, autopsy, and funeral reveal the full story of the shooting that shook the nation in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963. Without any sources, national news outlets began reporting that two women students allegedly attacked Oswald in a campus building. They said it would depreciate the value of their home. "That is the only thingI don't really believe she really believes he is innocent. That catches you off guard when you just wake up. And they got my mother on television in a live interview - she still doesn't have a good grasp of the language - and they were asking her specific questions about this book. I can tell you that I am very excited about the book in concept. You try to be nice because you don't want to make somebody upset who's going to seek you out if they're kooky enough to do that stuff anyway. She hadn't read it. Marina Oswald remarried, had a son, and continues to live in Texas. Her two daughters fathered by Lee Oswald grew up to be attractive ladies and ar He said things when we were together like he really wanted to have children because "that would be the blood of Lee Harvey Oswald that was flowing through the kids.". After her death from cancer on January 17, 1981, Marguerite Claverie Oswald was laid to rest in the Rose Hill Cemetery. Or are we going to provide help simply because here is a human being in trouble who desperately needs help?. Six weeks He tracked me down. At U-M, she would join 29 international students from Mexico, Israel, Greece, the Dominican Republic and elsewhere hoping to improve their English. By found it I meant that I was looking back through the forum pages and this was posted first in 2004 so I decided to bring it back up to peoples attention. Please get her away from Michigan. In the surreal days that followed the 1963 assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, as the nation absorbed the dual horror of the presidents murder and the subsequent and very public killing of his alleged assassin, a churchgoer in Ann Arbor looked for a bright spot. There were times when we didn't have milk to drink. Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy. Twenty-eight years later, she granted this TV interview. She later moved to Minsk to live with her uncle Ilya Prusakov, a colonel in the Soviet Ministry of Internal Affairs, and to study pharmacy. I usually end up telling people that I'm seeing very often. Not so with Oswald. What do I tell them? Somehow those boxes came down and she was reading, and I guess she felt it was time to tell us. Records do not show who conceived the idea to invite Oswald to study at U-M, only that the person was a member of First Presbyterian who also taught at the English Language Institute. The first car was The National Enquirer. Oswalds wife Marina, two daughters, brother Robert and mother Marguerite were the only mourners. I did not call in the middle of the night however and I did not say I wished to sing my song to her. She relied upon Russian interpreters during interviews with the Secret Service, FBI and the Warren Commission that investigated Kennedys assassination. Tags: Assassination, Conspiracy, JFK, Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald, Marina Oswald, Television, L.D.C. The first of its kind in the country, the ELI was established to provide instruction and support for international students who speak English as a second language. She came to New Orleans to give the discussion and promote her book, Me and Lee: How I Came to Know, Love and Lose Lee Harvey Oswald. Audience members received a book with their ticket purchase, and Baker signed copies throughout the day. I can tell you that I am very excited about the book in concept. So he moved to Boston and wanted me to join him. So he moved to Boston and wanted me to join him. Outside of class, students visited museums, zoos and sporting events while practicing their English. The widow of Lee Harvey Oswald was telling me her reaction to reading an account of her husbands funeral, written by her late, long-estranged mother-in-law. Almost immediately, she began receiving offers of help money, clothing, food, housing from around the country. As she told the Warren Commission during her three days of combative testimony, "It is no crime to sell the pictures. Why are 40+ guests suddenly reading this very old thread, as well as a smaller but still significant number reading an old thread on Marina? One woman said that she had belonged to a church for forty years and what it had done for her in all that time she could write on the back of a postage stamp, Campbell said. I have two small children, I'm divorced, I didn't want people to harass the kids.Q: Give me an example of what you'd consider harassment.A: When I was pregnant with my first, some lady got my phone number and called in the middle of the night. "She never knew when we'd run into someone, and she didn't want us to look like poor white trash"' June says simply. While married to Lee Harvey Oswald, she gave birth to her firstborn daughter called June Lee on 15th I know that in my life, Lee wasn't a good man. It's not a matter of being ashamed, it's a matter of wanting to be judged as June Oswald and not "the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald.". I think she is a phony in the whole deal. It would seem a perfect fit for Oswald. I think she is out to make money than if she has to say he is guilty. Oh great!" I didn't break down and cry or anything. But you know, just because you're hanging out with a weird group - they could have set him up, and he could have had no idea what was going on that day. She discovered his true identity while sifting through newspaper clippings and mementos in the attic. See the article in its original context from. I don't know if I could've done it and kept my sanity: two small children, don't speak the language, dirt poor, everybody in the country pointing their finger at you -- hating you in some cases. Marina kept to her wordafter the days surrounding the assassination, neither June nor Rachel was ever allowed to see their grandmother again. And more: "There were some violent scenes. WebMarina met Lee Harvey Oswald (a former U.S. Marine who had defected to the Soviet Union) at a dance on March 17, 1961. As a single woman in the Soviet Union, Marina Oswald had studied at a technical pharmacy school in Leningrad. Complicating her situation was that Oswald spoke very little English, was jobless and feared being returned to Russia. As Oswald was in her final weeks of campus, her name once again made news around the country. Two Lutheran ministers had agreed to conduct the service at the request of the Reverend Louis Saunders, an interdenominational Christian minister. So I said, O.K, this is it. Mom was always overprotective of us. An obituary in the Wichita Falls Times Record News reported the elder Oswald was 83 at the time of his death. He wasn't much of a husband, he wasn't much of a father. Q: How did you feel about being singled out?A: I remember what I did during that time-out was, I plotted how I could run for class president and win! But earlier this month, the Daily Mirror, the I don't think it's relevant to anything we do here and I appreciate you keeping it to yourself. He sold an article for an astronomical amount back then -- I think it was $25,000. She wished to face reality, not dodge it, the church reported in its newsletter. Lee Harvey Oswald also was accused of killing Dallas police officer J.D. Mom accused me one day of being ashamed of who I was. Priscilla was a CIA asset, IMHO, as was June Cobb in Cuba. I didn't really want to be the center of gossip in this whole building. Im sure Mrs. Oswald could conquer English in any school in America. A: I think there definitely is circumstantial evidence that could imply he had something to do with it because of the characters he was hanging out with in New Orleans. His goal was simple yet demanding. I always feel torn by whether I'm required to tell somebody about my history. It's a little bit like opening a family album you didn't know existed before. Q: Do you worry about telling your children as they grow up?A: I do. Her combative attitude never wavered. Several days after the funeral, Texas radio and TV reporter Bob Huffaker arranged a phone interview with her. Marguerite Oswald had a series of bizarre reactions to her sons transgression, forever making her a famous mother to history. I said I appreciate it, but I really don't get involved in that. Why have you started to speak out? By the end of the year, however, she was ready to travel from Texas to become a student. She sat us down, with my stepbrother, and started to explain who our father was- that it wasn't Kenneth - and who Lee was and what he had done. Yet the CIA never questioned him. And she's just welcoming them with open arms. When I was reading the interview with June and she made the comment abouty getting the, call from someone who had written a song at first I was a little jarred. Well, there's a travel guide she found out about that actually listed the Texas Chili Parlor and said the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald worked there. "I am the strongest person in this tragedy because I have lost everything," she told one journalist who came knocking a decade after the assassination. Records: 281. I had already written a we got to President Clinton to try to make sure he would appoint this review board from the Bush legislation to review assassination records, and to release those records. A few men sent letters to the ELI office in hopes of striking up a romantic relationship with Oswald. Dixie DeaApril 28, 2004 in JFK Assassination Debate. Almost immediately, she began receiving offers of help money, clothing, food, housing from around the country. Later that year the family moved from Russia to the United States. By then, he had moved on from Ann Arbor to the pulpit of Riverside Church in New York City. Just out of the blue. She got all caught up, because she wants so badly to have this identification with her father. Everyone was guilty of everything and no one understood her. We lived in poor housing, or were taken in by others. Images of John F. Kennedys assassination hold a permanent place in the American consciousness. She seemed without grief, filled instead with outrageicy, edgy, and spoiling to argue. Because some people have called me and said, "I knew your father and he really loved you." During this time, Baker and Oswald became romantically involved, and Oswald gave her details of his defection to the USSR. A: Part of it was the big anniversary, the 30th. I felt they manipulated her and made her look foolish. Cookie Settings, The Gunman and His Mother: Lee Harvey Oswald, Marguerite Oswald, and The Making of an Assassin, Dried Lake Reveals New Statue on Easter Island. I don't know if it's the interview you mean but I have a copy of one with Rachael from 1995 from a publication called 'Texas Monthly'. She was pretty strong. But both reneged after learning that the funeral would be outside by the grave rather than in a chapel, fearing the potential threat of snipers. The assassination has also been a constant in the life of June Oswald Porter, the 33-year-old daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. MORE THAN 30 YEARS AFTER the Kennedy assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald is a name that will not go away. She is a woman of average height. A review of Bakers book said Baker and Oswald were attempting to create a cocktail of toxins that would infect Castro with cancer while they worked at cover jobs at the Reily Coffee Company in New Orleans. He sold an article for an astronomical amount back then - I think it was $25,000. During college, Rachel supported herself at the Texas Chili Parlor in Austin. I move all the way up there, and his parents wouldn't even let us stay in his house because I was the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. Ann Arbor police and campus officials vehemently denied the reports; Oswald herself told them she had not been assaulted in any way, physically or verbally. This is material I never would have known about insofar as my mother's side of the family, because my mother was illegitimate, you know. And you know, it's not Lee's fault he got killed by Jack Ruby. But you know, just because you're hanging out with a weird group -- they could have set him up, and he could have had no idea what was going on that day.Q: Did you ever take the so-called assassination tour?A: Not until recently. Browse 22 June Lee Oswald had two children, Rachel and June the. Porter met Lee Harvey Oswald at a dance in March 1961 in Russia. The law said that if they felt that way, then those documents needed to be turned over to the Assassination Records Review Board and those folks would review the records and either concur, release them in blacked-out state or release them entirely. Q: Did you see the "Seinfeld" episode in which they're at the ballpark, and they get spat upon, and-. He challenged his church the oldest in Ann Arbor to be politically and socially relevant.. Terms of Use "We have to get the Government to move before it's too late.". I have to remind Rachel that this is the man who beat our mother, who didn't provide for his children. She is very grateful to the Institute and to the Church.. To avoid argument, the gravediggers were told they were digging a hole for William Bobo., As Secret Service, FBI agents, and a heavy police guard stood watch, seven newsmen serving asvolunteerpallbearers carried the pine coffin to the grave. Q: What is the status of your present-day identity? Because that's mostly what I think of when I think of Lee. You try to be nice because you don't want to make somebody upset who's going to seek you out if they're kooky enough to do that stuff anyway. My husband couldn't have cared less. There's a lot of genetic things you can't even control that are inborn in your kids. I've wondered what my kids are going to turn out like. I do blame him for having beat my mother, and not being a good father -- or a good provider. By Great!" (1963 - 2013) Photos: 50. Judith Baker, author of "Me and Lee - How I came to know, love, and lose Lee Harvey Oswald," presents an article at a symposium on Sat. Both interviews I found in the JFK collection at the Dallas Public Library last November. So I said, O.K., this is it. If they could prove somehow that he was innocent, he'd still not be a hero, he'd be a martyr. Marina Oswald spent hours before the Warren Commission in early 1964. [3] They married six weeks later and had a Moreover, Porter gave birth to her daughter, June Lee, on February 15, 1962. I found this on page 182 of the forum, well worth a read. In her early years, grocery By early 1964 would grow to $ 70,000 the equivalent of nearly $ 600,000 today at a dance in 1961... 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